Indonesia proclaimed its independence from Dutch colonization on the 17th of august, 1945. As more than 16,000 islands in the archipelago celebrate their independence day, WION caught up with the Ambassador of Indonesia to India- Sidharto Suryodipuro on 'The Diplomacy Show'. Former Indian Diplomat and show host Arun K. Singh talks to the envoy about his India experiences, the ties between the two countries, and the role Indonesia in shaping the world order.

The Diplomacy Show with the ambassador of Indonesia to India- Sidharto Suryodipuro

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WION exclusively chats with Ambassador of Indonesia to India Sidharto Suryodipuro

Indonesia is the president of United Nations Security Council for May 2019 and is also the chair of the UN's Sanctions Committee which listed Masood Azhar as an international terrorist.

WION's Sidhant Sibal spoke to Indonesia's envoy to India Sidharto Suryodipuro on a number of things regarding the listing of Masood Azhar including what went into the negotiations and Jakarta's role.

Here are the excerpts:

WION: What was Indonesia's role in the listing of Masood Azhar?

Sidharto Suryodipuro: The chairman of the 1267 Committee is guided, first of all, by mandate of the committee; secondly by the need to show credibility from all sides involved in the decision; and also to create a ground that everybody can agree on. These three roles guide him in ensuring that everybody is on board.

WION: What is the impact of Masood Azhar's listing as global terrorist?

Sidharto Suryodipuro: Listing means it falls under Chapter 7 of the United Nations charter, which all members of the UN are bound by. So listing basically means that all the countries must freeze the assets of the listed person, ban his travel and also put arms embargo. These are the measures that all countries are required to apply on the person who has been listed as a global terrorist.

WION: How do you see the decision, especially on terror?

Sidharto Suryodipuro: Well, terrorism is unacceptable. All terrorist must be brought before the courts of law. That is the principled position of Indonesia. We oppose terrorism everywhere because it is a threat to the whole of the international community. All the countries, in particular the victims, should enhance their cooperation. This is what India and Indonesia are doing. We have a joint working group on counter-terror and I believe its work is to strengthen (the cooperation). I think the challenge is greater than ever and the relationship between India and Indonesia is growing.

WION: Tell us briefly what goes into the negotiations?

Sidharto Suryodipuro: There are a number of dimensions to the negotiation. We understand there is the political side to it. So countries with particular interest will have their own negotiation. We understand that there are discussions between the capitals. The other side of it, the committee, in particular, the chair of the committee, has to ensure the ground is right, it is mature. When all sides want to take it to the committee, the committee is ready, the situation is mature, so they can have a productive decision.

WION: How do ties stand between India and Indonesia?

Sidharto Suryodipuro: It is a comprehensive strategic relation. We are looking for it in the long term. We have a shared vision of maritime cooperation. We also have elections at the same time. It means the new government, that will establish will have five years of stability to further build the relationship. You have to look it as in three decades, we will be the second and fourth largest economies. So what we doing today has strategic foundations to strengthen the ties.

Indonesia is the president of United Nations Security Council for May 2019 and is also the chair of the UN's Sanctions Committee which listed Masood Azhar as an international terrorist.

Indonesia is the president of United Nations Security Council for May 2019 and is also the chair of the UN's Sanctions Committee which listed Masood Azhar as an international terrorist. WION's Sidhant Sibal spoke to Indonesia's envoy to India Sidharto Suryodipuro on a number of things regarding the listing of Masood Azhar including what went into the negotiations and Jakarta's role. Here are the excerpts: WION: What was Indonesia's role in the listing of Masood Azhar? Sidharto Suryodipuro: The chairman of the 1267 Committee is guided, first of all, by mandate of the committee; secondly by the need to show credibility from all sides involved in the decision; and also to create a ground that everybody can agree on. These three roles guide him in ensuring that everybody is on board. WION: What is the impact of Masood Azhar's listing as global terrorist? Sidharto Suryodipuro: Listing means it falls under Chapter 7 of the United Nations charter, which all members of the UN are bound by. So listing basically means that all the countries must freeze the assets of the listed person, ban his travel and also put arms embargo. These are the measures that all countries are required to apply on the person who has been listed as a global terrorist. WION: How do you see the decision, especially on terror? Sidharto Suryodipuro: Well, terrorism is unacceptable. All terrorist must be brought before the courts of law. That is the principled position of Indonesia. We oppose terrorism everywhere because it is a threat to the whole of the international community. All the countries, in particular the victims, should enhance their cooperation. This is what India and Indonesia are doing. We have a joint working group on counter-terror and I believe its work is to strengthen (the cooperation). I think the challenge is greater than ever and the relationship between India and Indonesia is growing. WION: Tell us briefly what goes into the negotiations? Sidharto Suryodipuro: There are a number of dimensions to the negotiation. We understand there is the political side to it. So countries with particular interest will have their own negotiation. We understand that there are discussions between the capitals. The other side of it, the committee, in particular, the chair of the committee, has to ensure the ground is right, it is mature. When all sides want to take it to the committee, the committee is ready, the situation is mature, so they can have a productive decision. WION: How do ties stand between India and Indonesia? Sidharto Suryodipuro: It is a comprehensive strategic relation. We are looking for it in the long term. We have a shared vision of maritime cooperation. We also have elections at the same time. It means the new government, that will establish will have five years of stability to further build the relationship. You have to look it as in three decades, we will be the second and fourth largest economies. So what we doing today has strategic foundations to strengthen the ties.

There is a political side to negotiations: Indonesia envoy Sidharto Suryodipuro on Masood Azhar listing

Indonesian President Joko Widodo will be attending the Republic Day parade in New Delhi on January 26 along with nine other heads of state&nbsp;from the ASEAN region.

WION spoke with Indonesia&rsquo;s ambassador to India, Sidharto Suryodipuro, who said he would not be surprised if the bonds between India and Indonesia go as far back as before the second century AD -- the two countries share the Ramayana and the Mahabharata.

Apart from culture and history, Suryodipuro spoke about tourism, how the two countries are talking about martime security, and pushing up trade and investment in each others economies.&nbsp;

He also reminded us that Indonesia&#39;s first president Sukarno had been a guest at India&#39;s first Republic Day parade.&nbsp;

Q: Both India and Indonesia have strong cultural and economic ties which go back to ancient times. How have the ties evolved in last three years?

A: I would not be surprised to find that the ties may even go back before 2nd century AD because we share Mahabharata and Ramayana. We have both culture and history to build upon. In the last three years, we have worked on all sectors. We welcome Indian tourists; the political relationship has been very strong. Now we are talking about maritime security. Economically, we are working to increase trade and investments. Both in Delhi and Jakarta, we have been very upbeat about the prospect of this relationship.

How do you see the presence of heads of states from 10 ASEAN countries present during the Republic Day parade?

It would be unprecedented and first for India. For Indonesia, it would be first for our President. I also recall that the first Republic Day parade was attended by President Sukarno in Delhi. We go back a long way. So, this time when the President of Indonesia comes, it would be the third time.

How do you see India&rsquo;s commitment towards ASEAN economies and its &#39;Look East&#39;&nbsp;policy?

We want to work with India to support the &#39;Act East&#39;&nbsp;policy so that it can substantiate itself. We want physical and other forms of connectivity to increase. We don&rsquo;t say that we have too much of India in South East Asia, it&rsquo;s just that we don&rsquo;t have enough of India.

What are those areas where Indian and Indonesian interests can converge?

Currently I&rsquo;m focusing on air and maritime connectivity. We are building another layer of relationships while we talk at the political level. We are also talking about security but it is the people-to-people relationship that creates a balance in a relationship. It will enrich the relationship at the&nbsp;socio-cultural and educational level. Maritime connectivity existed in past. The Eastern side of India was directly connected with Java and Sumatra. We were connected to Kalinga but all that has gone and it needs to be rebuilt.

Apart from the economy, India&rsquo;s concern is also terrorism. India is a victim of terrorism which flows from across the border. What is Indonesia&rsquo;s position on it?

It is a problem which we are all facing. Terrorism and radicalism is a problem we all share. We are in talks with our counterparts for preparing for events and countering terrorism, radicalization and violent extremism. India and Indonesia can draw from the depth of tradition to fight extremism and terrorism. We have a tradition to fall back upon to fight against such trends.

So, we have a civilizational connect?

Absolutely. These are societies which have been tolerant and multicultural and accepted various teachings.

Lot of artists are coming in from various ASEAN countries. Tell us about those coming from your country?

There will be a Ramayana troupe coming from the island of Bali. The story remains the same but there will be modifications and some figures which don&rsquo;t exist in original Ramayana in India. Our troupe will be on the classical side. The Balinese Ramayana and dresses are very elaborate. That is for the Indian audience to tell us. I have seen Indian Ramayana in Delhi. It is very dynamic and performed within 2.5 hours.

How is the Balinese Ramayana different?

Very different in presentation. The&nbsp;Indian side is very fast and energetic but the Balinese side is focused on movement. Slow movements require patience and stamina.

What steps should be taken by both countries to forge more intimate bonds?

Air connectivity is a must. There are 28 flights from Indonesia to India but Indian carriers do not fly to Indonesia. Another area would be movies -- Indian movies are wildly popular in Indonesia. My wife just watched Jodha Akbar. My mother-in-law also watches Indian movies and recently watched Dangal and PK. Making of movies in both Indonesia and India would be an avenue to enhance awareness about what is India and Indonesia. 
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Indonesia's President Joko Widodo, along with nine other heads of state from the ASEAN region, will be attending India's Republic Day parade in New Delhi on January 26

Indonesian President Joko Widodo will be attending the Republic Day parade in New Delhi on January 26 along with nine other heads of state from the ASEAN region. WION spoke with Indonesia’s ambassador to India, Sidharto Suryodipuro, who said he would not be surprised if the bonds between India and Indonesia go as far back as before the second century AD -- the two countries share the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Apart from culture and history, Suryodipuro spoke about tourism, how the two countries are talking about martime security, and pushing up trade and investment in each others economies. He also reminded us that Indonesia's first president Sukarno had been a guest at India's first Republic Day parade. Q: Both India and Indonesia have strong cultural and economic ties which go back to ancient times. How have the ties evolved in last three years? A: I would not be surprised to find that the ties may even go back before 2nd century AD because we share Mahabharata and Ramayana. We have both culture and history to build upon. In the last three years, we have worked on all sectors. We welcome Indian tourists; the political relationship has been very strong. Now we are talking about maritime security. Economically, we are working to increase trade and investments. Both in Delhi and Jakarta, we have been very upbeat about the prospect of this relationship. How do you see the presence of heads of states from 10 ASEAN countries present during the Republic Day parade? It would be unprecedented and first for India. For Indonesia, it would be first for our President. I also recall that the first Republic Day parade was attended by President Sukarno in Delhi. We go back a long way. So, this time when the President of Indonesia comes, it would be the third time. How do you see India’s commitment towards ASEAN economies and its 'Look East' policy? We want to work with India to support the 'Act East' policy so that it can substantiate itself. We want physical and other forms of connectivity to increase. We don’t say that we have too much of India in South East Asia, it’s just that we don’t have enough of India. What are those areas where Indian and Indonesian interests can converge? Currently I’m focusing on air and maritime connectivity. We are building another layer of relationships while we talk at the political level. We are also talking about security but it is the people-to-people relationship that creates a balance in a relationship. It will enrich the relationship at the socio-cultural and educational level. Maritime connectivity existed in past. The Eastern side of India was directly connected with Java and Sumatra. We were connected to Kalinga but all that has gone and it needs to be rebuilt. Apart from the economy, India’s concern is also terrorism. India is a victim of terrorism which flows from across the border. What is Indonesia’s position on it? It is a problem which we are all facing. Terrorism and radicalism is a problem we all share. We are in talks with our counterparts for preparing for events and countering terrorism, radicalization and violent extremism. India and Indonesia can draw from the depth of tradition to fight extremism and terrorism. We have a tradition to fall back upon to fight against such trends. So, we have a civilizational connect? Absolutely. These are societies which have been tolerant and multicultural and accepted various teachings. Lot of artists are coming in from various ASEAN countries. Tell us about those coming from your country? There will be a Ramayana troupe coming from the island of Bali. The story remains the same but there will be modifications and some figures which don’t exist in original Ramayana in India. Our troupe will be on the classical side. The Balinese Ramayana and dresses are very elaborate. That is for the Indian audience to tell us. I have seen Indian Ramayana in Delhi. It is very dynamic and performed within 2.5 hours. How is the Balinese Ramayana different? Very different in presentation. The Indian side is very fast and energetic but the Balinese side is focused on movement. Slow movements require patience and stamina. What steps should be taken by both countries to forge more intimate bonds? Air connectivity is a must. There are 28 flights from Indonesia to India but Indian carriers do not fly to Indonesia. Another area would be movies -- Indian movies are wildly popular in Indonesia. My wife just watched Jodha Akbar. My mother-in-law also watches Indian movies and recently watched Dangal and PK. Making of movies in both Indonesia and India would be an avenue to enhance awareness about what is India and Indonesia.

'Terrorism is a problem we all share,' Indonesia's ambassador to India tells WION